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Written by TheShinji on October 03 2008
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Ok, first off, i'm gonna state a disclaimer: I am neither preaching or attempting to convert anyone. I could care less about any 'debate' that crops up as a result of this. I am here to ask advice, not to start discussing whether or not any of this is worthwhile, nor do I wish to discuss the 'good' or 'evil' of religion, and the various deities involved therein.

However, I have something to talk about with any catholic who is willing to listen to me. I'm not gonna go into details, but basically Dawn Marie is catholic.

There are two options around. It's not an ultimatum, and she has never presented it as one: Namely, I have no idea how to find faith in god. I don't even know where to begin. Like, there's times when i've thought there COULD be something, but literally the only time i've ever stated that I believed in Jesus Christ was under the threat of a bunch of tougher kids ganging up and beating the shit out of me in primary school. I have no clue how to contact any local priests or anything like that to discuss this kind of thing, and to be honest, while i'm not TRYING to force it, I have to ask: is it even possible to find faith when I have no feeling of it whatsoever?

See, the reason that I ask this is that... Dawn Marie has clearly stated that, if she had to, she would abandon her faith in god for me. I can see various people asking why that even matters, and why it's a problem. But here's the thing - I don't want her too. Her faith in god is something that she needs. Something that actually helps her, unlike most people flying the false banner of being a believer because they don't wanna go to hell.

In essence, i'm saying I love her too much to be the reason why she abandons such an important part of her life. Accuse me of being manipulated all you will. So far i've gotten by on what little spirituality I have (my belief system was once whittled down to ''Karmic retribution/reward with no prescence of any divine figure'') but if i'm honest, then yeah, even meeting her has shaken things up for me on every level.

Time was, I called her my 'angel', and I NEVER meant it as a metaphor. I honestly believed that it was fate that we would meet and be together. Perhaps you could say our rough times lately are a test, to see if I am really worthy of her. Perhaps you could say i'm an idiot for even considering that it's fate. Who knows? I'd actually like to have faith that it's the former.

So basically, the point is this: does anyone have any worthwhile advice for me? I know it's a hard question - after all i'm basically asking what I should do, and such a question is almost always entirely subjective... all i'm asking is that anyone who replies, does their best. I'm not asking for posts to prove or disprove god, i'm just asking what kind of steps I can take, what kind of stuff I can do, so I can look into things and decide for myself.

It doesn't matter how I get on with you as a person - all useful replies are very welcome.

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Note to brian: this isn't the 15th century, religion is no longer important enough to make you rethink anything...
Anyway, when will her being catholic ever effect your relationship?
She has her ideas, you have yours
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yes, but we can't have a proper marrriage unless I conert. And several members of her family are retarded, and will hold iit against us.
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Jesus, Siddhartha Gautama, and Mohammad were enlightened people who found a way to live their life to the best of their understanding. People followed their teachings and eventually made a religion out of them after many, many years. Who knows, maybe Martin Luther King Jr or Gandhi will be the basis for a new religion that is based on their beliefs and teachings. That didn't stop Joseph Smith Jr. and L. Ron Hubbard from founding Mormon and Scientology.

In Pascal's Wager:

If God exists then theists will enjoy eternal bliss while atheists will suffer eternal damnation. If God does not exist then theists will enjoy finite happiness before they die, and atheists will enjoy finite happiness too, though not so much because they will experience angst rather than the comforts of religion. Regardless of whether God exists, then, theists have it better than atheists; hence belief in God is the most rational belief or idea to have for a thinking rational person.

Personally, I think there is no harm if God exists. You don't have to believe. You just need to have an idea. If you really love her, it won't matter to you if you convert to Catholic. Most Catholics I see only go to Church on Christmas and Easter Sunday.

I'll leave excerpts from Gandhi's views on Christianity.

"Christianity is the perfect religion if it was practiced."
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

EDIT: One thing I forgot to add. I'm Catholic, but I don't necessarily follow everything that various priest have talked about. I have an idea of how to be a good person and how to live my life to the best of my ability based on various teachings I learned from Catholicism. The way these teachings were interpreted is different. Take the Bible, for example. Various protestant groups interpret it differently than Catholics. If there is one thing I learned from all kinds of religion, despite being different in the belief system and structure, they all teach the same principles of being good to others as to yourself. Truth is truth.
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Toxin said: "Note to brian: this isn't the 15th century, religion is no longer important enough to make you rethink anything...
Anyway, when will her being catholic ever effect your relationship?
She has her ideas, you have yours"

Well, humans have always wanted an answer to life, and this is one, even though the question of an existing as yet to be proved.
I'm not sure what you really are asking, afterall... Is it because it's a problem for both of you to have different beliefs?
Or is it because you're thinking about something like wedding, and you're wondering if you should do it in a court or in a church?
About that, I wouldn't know. But I know that, you should follow your beliefs and she follows hers if it's not a problem. If it is a problem, I suggest you try to make a list of pros and cons of both choices. Discuss about it with her.
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ugh, people are still missing the point -_-

Don't comment until you understand that i'm just asking for somewhere to get a neutral viewpoint and learn more.

I don't care whether you are religious and think i'm going to hell for not being christian/muslim/whatever.

I don't care if you're posting to say lolreligion.
READ and THINK before you hit the post button.
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